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Skyclad
Dec 28, 2010 12:28:17 GMT -5
Post by Lady Silver Vixen on Dec 28, 2010 12:28:17 GMT -5
I thought this was a little funny and had to post this here in debates for everyone to play with.
A website I came across said "Sex Magic is Forbidden Magic". Now personally I disagree with this HIGHLY because even though there is little emphasis on it, it's accepted as a reasonable as well as powerful form of magic.
Anyone who wants to debate this feel free to. I'm always up for a good debate.
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Skyclad
Dec 28, 2010 12:35:20 GMT -5
Post by Lady SilverVixen (Admin) on Dec 28, 2010 12:35:20 GMT -5
I'd be interested to know which website that's from and how the author elaborates on that statement, if indeed they do.
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Skyclad
Dec 28, 2010 17:42:15 GMT -5
Post by Lady Silver Vixen on Dec 28, 2010 17:42:15 GMT -5
it's funny, because there is no real elaboration. Here's the full post they had made:
Heyya students. I was talking to the Headmaster and we decided it would be a good idea to create a lesson on the more frowned upon subjects in magic but put it in a forum to make it more interactive for the students, which is why the first lesson is about choosing the first subject. The choices are; Blood Magic. -What is Blood magic? -Why is Blood magic dangerous? -Uses of Blood magic and spells Satanism -the religion -the theory -the magic -differences between Wicca and Satanism Sexual magic -What is sexual magic -the practice -the dangers
All the above can all be debated for better or worse, but none of which are forbidden by wicca or any other pagan religion.
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Skyclad
Dec 29, 2010 2:40:27 GMT -5
Post by Crison Moon on Dec 29, 2010 2:40:27 GMT -5
Blood Magic i cant really see blood magic in a way. Because I think Blood Magic is like Dragons Blood and Dove Blood used to write in BOS.
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Skyclad
Dec 29, 2010 10:58:21 GMT -5
Post by Lady Silver Vixen on Dec 29, 2010 10:58:21 GMT -5
um, the reference to blood magic crison is the use of your own blood or the blood of others, because of the level of aids and stds in the world today, most blood magic users stick strictly to the use of their own blood to reduce contamination levels. the reason is would fall into the (wicca part here) "forbidden" category is because wiccans follow the rede "an it harm none", the rede means harm doesn't come to yourself, or others, physically, emotionally or spiritually in any way, otherwise the three fold law is what you have to answer to. My argument though, is that, if you accidentally prick or nick yourself, then the use of the blood is acceptable, thus it can't be forbidden.
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Skyclad
Dec 29, 2010 11:38:17 GMT -5
Post by Lady SilverVixen (Admin) on Dec 29, 2010 11:38:17 GMT -5
I think that sex magic has become taboo, even in certain aspects of the pagan community, is that witchcraft in particular has had a hard enough time being considered as non-threatening by mainstream society without adding any kind of sexual element to it. The gutter press love to imagine that modern witches (and pagans and magicians) engage in debauched orgies of sex, drugs and blood sacrifice, and to admit that sex magic is considered a healthy, powerful and enjoyable way of achieving magical results is liable to open yourself up to criticism or suspicion. As for using blood in magical workings, women have a distinct advantage over men in that regard and I have used my own blood to 'feed' my runes and altar stone. However I personally hesitate to give it a separate category of 'Blood Magic' as I think it's getting close to sounding like something out of a Final Fantasy game and you frequently see that kind of thing on SoM with people asking to learn 'Fire Magic', 'Water Magic' and so on. But that's a personal rant
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Skyclad
Dec 29, 2010 13:57:19 GMT -5
Post by Lady Silver Vixen on Dec 29, 2010 13:57:19 GMT -5
Personal rant or not, you made a very good point. However, I still think that if one is interested in sex magic then it should be between partners, which is how it's been going now for a while, and not, as the media tries to throw things, the crazy wild sex orgies.
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Skyclad
Dec 29, 2010 16:16:16 GMT -5
Post by Lady SilverVixen (Admin) on Dec 29, 2010 16:16:16 GMT -5
I think anyone who gets involved in any pagan path looking for the wild sex orgies is going to be very disappointed!
So on a similar subject, what do the Wiccans on the forum think of the Great Rite being performed in actuality as opposed to symbolically? Is the rite somehow lessened by not participating fully? Or do you think there is no difference or that the actual Great Rite is somehow now redundant?
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Skyclad
Dec 29, 2010 16:38:49 GMT -5
Post by Lady Silver Vixen on Dec 29, 2010 16:38:49 GMT -5
Personally I like the actual act of the great rite, but it's more practical to use the symbolic version especially since I'm a solitary practitioner and my husband usually doesn't participate, though even symbolically, It can be difficult, lol. I think so long as the heart is in the right place, then it's worth doing, which ever way is more comfortable for those participating
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Skyclad
Jan 21, 2011 23:48:28 GMT -5
Post by Rarity on Jan 21, 2011 23:48:28 GMT -5
My belief is that as wiccans we shouldn't be scared to participate in any form of magic as long as we follow the rede. Blood magic and sex magic goes back to ancient times when these things were done to bring ourselves closer to the deities. I do practice blood magic and the great rite. Of course, I do not practice orgies or drink blood from a chalice, but I couldn't help but thinking about what what is thought about wiccans and witches sacrificing animals or babies to worship gods. Witchcraft is terribly misunderstood and things may never change in that aspect. My boyfriend is christian, and he got excited when he found out about the great rite! It was hilarious to see his reaction because he thought that meant we would be participating in orgies. Sex is considered a spiritual act in many religions, including christianity, and I think that it's fun and important to remember that we don't have to feel ashamed of our sexuality.
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Skyclad
Mar 3, 2011 14:18:15 GMT -5
Post by Marcassa on Mar 3, 2011 14:18:15 GMT -5
I read through this post and was confused. I believed that skyclad was simply the participation in ritual without clothing. And the Great Rite, was the Great Rite. Do people use these terms interchangeably?
There have been vicious debates in the south about skyclad gatherings (clothing optional) and children. I am never sure what is a regional thing and what is not. Having been exposed to groups outside of the South, I am becoming to believe we are some bizarre subgroup of Wicca.
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Skyclad
Mar 3, 2011 18:12:17 GMT -5
Post by Lady SilverVixen (Admin) on Mar 3, 2011 18:12:17 GMT -5
It was originally a discussion about being Skyclad but became a discussion about the Great Rite after the joking mention of sex orgies. Sorry for any confusion caused.
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Skyclad
Mar 4, 2011 10:42:26 GMT -5
Post by Aquafish on Mar 4, 2011 10:42:26 GMT -5
Out of curiosity, what is the Great Rite?
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Skyclad
Mar 4, 2011 11:55:05 GMT -5
Post by Lady Silver Vixen on Mar 4, 2011 11:55:05 GMT -5
There is a wonderful article on pagan about.com and it actually explains the Great Rite like this:
"In some (although not all) traditions of Wicca and Paganism, sacred sex is part of spiritual practice. Wicca in its original form is a fertility religion, first and foremost, so it's understandable that at some point you may encounter some references to sexual acts, whether they be actual or implied. By implied, we mean the symbolic -- the joining of an athame with a chalice, for example. The most commonly referenced form of ritual sex is the Great Rite, which is the ritualized connection of the god and goddess. Author Vivianne Crowley says, "The outer rite involves a linking of the male and the female… the sacred marriage is outwardly a marriage of two people, but inwardly it is a marriage of the two within one person." The Great Rite is more than just sexual union; it is the enactment of the creation of the universe itself in Wiccan tradition."
I think explains it rather well. The Great Rite is Really all about the symbolism of the Masculine and Feminine rejoining and becoming one again. As the goddess separated herself to create her consort, so to shall they be rejoined in joyous union to become one once more. There are 3 different ways to portray this, the more common nowdays being the Chailce and the athame being brought together. However, there are some out there that still enact the physical act or will lay a sheet between them. It's a spiritually fulfilling and enlightening act to what I hear (the physical variation I mean).
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Skyclad
Mar 11, 2011 12:41:41 GMT -5
Post by Brysing on Mar 11, 2011 12:41:41 GMT -5
I was initiated Skyclad, have been Skyclad since, due to lack of privacy and weather conditions. I was not aware of the Great Rite until I read Gardner in the late 60s. So far as I am now aware the Great Rite, when performed physically, is in private! And with partners!
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